Time for Change?

[Al-T]

Hi folks,

As a general observation I see lots of new people joining the forums and they all seem to have the same initial problem in that they don't "know" how to edit their posts (I include myself here when I first joined). Now, this could be construed as a failure to read the ToS or a failure on their part to "try" to figure out what happens here, but for a newcomer it can be quite confusing (don't assume similar knowledgable familiarity). So instead of issuing warnings to people who do this wouldn't it be better to make the "edit" button more obvious? A tiny light blue button upper right of message isn't exactly obvious......can this be changed to something more striking? Or, more importantly can the guidelines be made clearer?

[Nefarius]

*This topic has been moved from General Diablo 2 Discussion to Feedback*

No. first of all, we don\'t issue warnings for double posting, a warning is something completely different. The double posting rule is a common sight, and you will encounter it on as good as any forum on the internet. When someone is intentionally double posting this is considered spam, and we will issue a warning if such behavior is observed.

I don\'t think the button can be made any more obvious then it is, it is called edit and has that written all over it.

[dfnord]

Maybe making it flash purple and yellow for those with less than 10 posts?

[Al-T]

*This topic has been moved from General Diablo 2 Discussion to Feedback*

No. first of all, we don\'t issue warnings for double posting, a warning is something completely different. The double posting rule is a common sight, and you will encounter it on as good as any forum on the internet. When someone is intentionally double posting this is considered spam, and we will issue a warning if such behavior is observed.

I don\'t think the button can be made any more obvious then it is, it is called edit and has that written all over it.

I think the button could be made more visible like dfnord suggests e.g. ((posts<10)? flash:don't flash) and even if it can not, an "introduction" to the Keep on registration could have some graphical display showing new users where all the relevant buttons are located.

[misharohac]

- EDIT -

This slot was formerly occupied by a post that was in conflict with the Terms of Service and against the general ethics of posting at the Phrozen Keep.

I apologize for this transgression.

misharohac

[AdiTT]

Maybe a little more attention from the users will be good Almost every forum offers and "edit" button and it doesn't seem users there to have problems.

This will stop post freak zealots from submitting useless posts like this one just for the sake of running up their post count.

... or simply remove the post count, so it won't be for the posting, but for the sense
(j/k )

[Myhrginoc]

We can always reset a post counter if there is a real problem...

[Nefarius]

I say make the edit button even less obvious and then immediately BAN new users after their first double post without warning.

This will stop post freak zealots from submitting useless posts like this one just for the sake of running up their post count.

*cough*

[mod="Nefarius"]From Nefarius on behalf of the rest of the staff:

We have been very tolerant in your regard for a too long time,
You have been often warned about not posting totally obsolete replies to topics,
By me, Onyx and other staff members over the last year, yet you keep doing it,
and worse, you even do it with some attitude that I've rarely seen.

Lets see what recent things we have then,

First you asked people about non-modding related stuff in totally irrelated threads, like avatars, and I know that you knew very well (being a long time user) that this is PM buisness!

Then you replied with info no one requested to a variety of threads, it is nice and good to post info, but only when it makes some sense in the discussion, as Onyx has told you several times (IIRC)

But that post you have posted in the Feedback forum crossed the line,
You've used up all that was left of our patience, it is one thing to spam,
It is another to indirectly encourage other people to spam.

You posted a totally useless reply, and in that reply even admitted that it is totally useless,
and posted only for rising your post count.

One more useless post and you will loose your current rank, and be unable to gain any further ranks. This is harsh, we are well aware of this, but you have left us no coice.

Consider this your first official warning[/mod]

[Al-T]

I am saddened to see what on my part was a genuine attempt to provide feedback in order to help everyone on the forums, in particular new users, has degenerated to something totally unrelated.

My recent thoughts were to provide a Word or HTML or similar document along with the "welcome" message which clearly shows where all the buttons are and what function they provide but now to be honest I am going to leave this topic well alone and check around the other Keep forums that still hold my interest.

[AdiTT]

I am saddened to see what on my part was a genuine attempt to provide feedback in order to help everyone on the forums, in particular new users, has degenerated to something totally unrelated.

My recent thoughts were to provide a Word or HTML or similar document along with the "welcome" message which clearly shows where all the buttons are and what function they provide but now to be honest I am going to leave this topic well alone and check around the other Keep forums that still hold my interest.

There is a FAQ section that gives all the answer. I am not sure what exactly the Welcoming PM has in it. A link to that section you can see very easy on the left side of the screen, so it really is not such a problem. I really think that the users should use all the good features and information this site can offer. Everything is cleared and arranged so it can be as much useful as it can. This site has so many information in it, that if it wasn't the structure it have it would've been a labirint. (I feel like I have to add a "Thank you" to spin but he already knows I am his fan )

[Al-T]

This is definitely my last post in this topic. Could someone please lock it as I don't believe it is going anywhere?

There is a FAQ section that gives all the answer. I am not sure what exactly the Welcoming PM has in it. A link to that section you can see very easy on the left side of the screen, so it really is not such a problem. I really think that the users should use all the good features and information this site can offer. Everything is cleared and arranged so it can be as much useful as it can. This site has so many information in it, that if it wasn't the structure it have it would've been a labirint.

There are 3 parts in the FAQ section, Hosting, File Center and Staff and none of them have the information you say they do. The Welcome PM does just that, welcomes you to the Keep and provides basic information about your account and nothing more.

It could be a big problem for people who have no previous experience with the Internet in general, bearing in mind a lot of people who join may be very young and only just started using a PC/MAC.

Also doing a search for "editing posts" brings up a plethora of unrelated topics and while useful to those of us familiar with the workings at the Keep it is just confusing for newcomers.

Yes, once you are familiar with the way the site works, I agree that it is logical and well organised but new users can find it confusing hence so many messages where people are told to "use the edit button". It is this proliferation of these messages in response to double-posting in conjunction with no easy way for a newcomer to find out how to use basic post creation and editing tools that inspired me in the first place. I was prepared to create a Word or HTML document for this and submit it to Myhrginoc or one of the other senior admins for them to decide whether to use it in FAQs or as an attachment to the "Welcome" message or not at all but with the type of posts there have been in this topic I am no longer prepared to waste my time.

[dfnord]

Instead of giving up, why don't you just make a "Phrozen keep for dumies" guide? Put all those images to help newcomers, circuling the edit and search functions with a red circle, point out briefly and in an easy going way the most common tos violations, and then post it. Who knows? If it is good enough and gets good feedback, admins might even make it global sticky.

[AdiTT]

There are 3 parts in the FAQ section, Hosting, File Center and Staff and none of them have the information you say they do. The Welcome PM does just that, welcomes you to the Keep and provides basic information about your account and nothing more.

This is the FAQ section for "Features". There is another section for "Forums". The one I linked in my previous message. (I knew I should've mentioned that )