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Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Aludiin » Mon Oct 20, 2003 10:22 pm

I thought that it would be a good idea to add all of the data relating to caps, maximums and rollovers in one post. Gh0st(Eth) has a post that covers damage caps here but it does not cover the crafting maximums. Please post any corrections, updates, and additions and I will modify this post.


Total Life Maximum: 8,388,607
Increase Maximum Life maximum: 149,375 per item
Increase Maximum Life per Level maximum: 31.875 life per item

Increase Maximum Mana maximum: 149,375 per item
Increase Maximum Mana per Level maximum: 31.875 mana per item


Maximum Attack: 21,474,836

Strength/Dexterity/Vitality/Energy maximum: 32767?
Strength/Dexterity/Vitality/Energy per level maximum: ?

AC / Level: ? (maximum?, is there a Rollover or Cap?)
Defense: 149,375 per item

Dmg. Reduction /Level: ? (maximum?, is there a Rollover or Cap?)
Dmg. Reduced By %: 95% PvM 75% PVP
Dmg. Reduced By:? (maximum?, is there a Rollover or Cap?)
Magic Reduced By:? (maximum?, is there a Rollover or Cap?)

Mana Regeneration %: ? (maximum?, is there a Rollover or Cap?)
Life Regeneration: 3071 per item
Increase Maximum Life by%: (maximum?)
Increase Maximum Mana by%: (maximum?)
Max Thorn Damage: ?

Max. Resist Fire/Cold/Poison/Lightning: 95%
Max. Resist Magic: 75%
Resist Fire/Cold/Poison/Lightning: (rollover or cap?)(if you have 257 Resist cold, does it rollover and set it to 2% for example?)
Resist Magic: (rollover or cap)?
Lightning/Fire/Cold/Poison Absorb: ?

+All Skills Max. per item: 127
Class Restricted Item, Max +Skills: 3 071
Skill Tab Max.: 30 (per crafted ring, amulet)
Specific Skill Max: 120 per crft. charm (If you craft only single Skill on charm with a few bonuses)


Max. Elemental Damage: 83,886 damage (does not include poison w/ damage over time, blaze, firewall).
Max. Physical Damage: 83,886 damage (Recommended 41943 for Amazons)

Increased Attack Speed Maximum: ? (is there a bug at a certain rate where you cannot hit anything? Does it matter what the base speed of the item is?)

Increased Movement Speed Maximum: ?
Reduce Target AC by (maximum) : ?

Gold Find Maximum: 64,511% per item
Magic Find Maximum: Magic number is around 1500% MF, maxes between 250000% and 500000% (see Link here).

Maximum modification lines per item: 44 (note: some are hidden that will contribute to the maximum)

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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by justanother » Tue Oct 21, 2003 4:04 am

Gold Find per Item is 63487
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Post by Jack Nipper » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:05 am

Skill Tab Max.: ?
Specific Skill Max: ?
Skill Tab Max 30 per crft. ring/amulet
Specific Skill: 120 per crft. charm (If you craft only single Skill on charm with a few bonuses)
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by bc » Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:51 pm

3071 life regen per item...

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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Saethan » Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:04 am

I'd be very interested to know if crit strikes cause damage to roll or not, as well as the amplify damage curse. Kind of important so I can plan out my super-zon. ;-)

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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Saethan » Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:04 pm

It appears that the rollover happens after crit strike hits, I was just doing normal cows and was having a hell of a time killing them with 55k multishot, I lowered it to 42k multishot and they died very, very fast.

Well, always nice to know. :-)

(I *knew* I was going to appreciate increasing my damage one 500% ED charm at a time.. I just stuck a few in my stash and it took me down to 42k)

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Now that I think of it, I was levelling my merc(worthless so far x.x still dies in one hit in insanes) and he casts amplify damage I think, maybe THAT was causing the damage to roll.. now I don't really know. Hah.
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by No Burdens » Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:23 am

+149375 Life/ Max per Item
+149375 Mana/ Max per Item
+149375 Defense/ Max per Item


At least that is all you can put on a crafted belt.
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Jack Nipper » Fri Oct 24, 2003 9:26 am

No Burdens";p="134498" wrote:+149375 Life/ Max per Item
+149375 Mana/ Max per Item
+149375 Defense/ Max per Item


At least that is all you can put on a crafted belt.
These stats are lvl based :!: How much is it per lvl :?:
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Post by immortalsin » Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:51 pm

Jack Nipper";p="134527" wrote:
No Burdens";p="134498" wrote:+149375 Life/ Max per Item
+149375 Mana/ Max per Item
+149375 Defense/ Max per Item


At least that is all you can put on a crafted belt.
These stats are lvl based :!: How much is it per lvl :?:
It's 29.875 per lvl. Just divide those numbers by 5k ;)
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Jack Nipper » Fri Oct 24, 2003 3:13 pm

It's 29.875 per lvl. Just divide those numbers by 5k
It is clear now, but No Burdens didn't noticed that. So I wanted him to answer...(I can divide by 5000 too :roll: )
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by No Burdens » Fri Oct 24, 2003 3:40 pm

Edit: Duh, your right!
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Post by genericstoner » Tue Oct 28, 2003 2:29 am

so would attack rating bocl be the same as the rest, e.g. 149,375 @ lvl 5000?
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Post by Jack Nipper » Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:14 pm

genericstoner";p="135158" wrote:so would attack rating bocl be the same as the rest, e.g. 149,375 @ lvl 5000?
No, it is more: I think about 579 000 on my 5K char...
:lol: I have now problems with attack rating with my pala...when using other auras than fana, it is around 18 mil, but when I use fana, than it goes to minus number, and I have only 5% chance to hit everything :cry:
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Claws » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:29 pm

Aludiin";p="133925" wrote:Increase Maximum Life per Level maximum: 28.75 life (per item?)
Increase Maximum Mana per Level maximum: 28.75?? (per item?)
The maximum is 255/8 = 31.875 for both values. And it is just a restriction per item.
Aludiin";p="133925" wrote:Max. Elemental Damage: 87040 damage (does not include poison w/ damage over time, blaze, firewall).
Max. Physical Damage: 87040 damage (Recommended 43520 for Amazons?, or is critical strike figured afterwards?)
((2 ^ 23) - 1) / 100 = 83886 is the right value. And yes the Ama should try to be under the half of the cap (= 41943) if she uses critical strike.

Damage to Demon and Undead is another problem which is getting you over the cap.
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Al-T » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:08 pm

Why are you bumping a topic where the last post was in 2003 :?:

I am guessing this topic will now be locked by a moderator/admin :-|
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Claws » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:26 pm

I think it is a good list of all the Caps. I did not find another so complete and clear collection of the caps.
So I thought others would be interested in this, too.

And I have to apologize, I did not see, that it is so old. But I think the caps are still the same at 4.4c.

The only bad point is that Aludiin maybe does not come back to this Forum. His last posting I found was from Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:17 am. And at the Zy-El: Trial by Fire Mod Forum it was even: Wed Oct 22, 2003 12:21 am. (How can I contact a person w/o a picture?).

I think so he will not edit the 1st posting to stay up to date. :(

Maybe I should start a new thread copying his posting and administer the 1st posting with the cap collection myself.

When I delete my postings and you delete yours, will this thread then switch back to where it was?
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Kato » Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:23 pm

:idea: Well, I suppose we could just stickey it and then it will stay without having to be bumped. ;)
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Claws » Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:44 pm

Thank you. Kato, for sticking it.

But how can the values now be actualized?

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Post by ultimategrayfox » Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:05 am

i like this thread, the old one was a little confused for me...
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Al-T » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:30 am

Claws";p="411575" wrote:Thank you. Kato, for sticking it.

But how can the values now be actualized?
Yes, thanks Kato :)

We can add posts with known values as some of the above are still incorrect.

I'll start with Maximum Gold Find = 64511% and...here is the proof. I did this purely as a test in 4.2B but it should be the same in 4.4C. I also did a similar test for maximum Magic Find and I'll add it later when I find which character it is on. It may take a while as I have to revert back to version 4.2B and I have lots of chars to check :roll: . I suspect it is the same % as GF but best if I double check.
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Claws » Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:47 pm

I just add this post with a copy of the 1st as it will still be on the 1st page of this thread. And I will correct all the values respective to later posts.

Maximum Life: 8 388 607
Maximum Attack: 21 474 836 (=2^31/100) after that it stays positive a while but you already have 5% chance to hit instead of 95 % and later it turns to negative values.

Increase Maximum Life maximum: 149,375 (per item)
Increase Maximum Life per Level maximum: 31.875 life (per item)

Increase Maximum Mana maximum: 149,375 (per item)
Increase Maximum Mana per Level maximum: 31.875 (per item)

Strength/Dexterity/Vitality/Energy maximum: 32 767?
Strength/Dexterity/Vitality/Energy per level maximum: ?

AC / Level: ? (maximum?, is there a Rollover or Cap?)
Total AC: ? (maximum?, is there a Rollover or Cap?)

Dmg. Reduction /Level: ? (maximum?, is there a Rollover or Cap?)
Dmg. Reduced By %: 95% PvM 75% PvP
Dmg. Reduced By:? (maximum?, is there a Rollover or Cap?)
Magic Reduced By: ? (maximum?, is there a Rollover or Cap?)

Mana Regeneration %: ? (maximum?, is there a Rollover or Cap?)
Life Regeneration: 3071 per item
Increase Maximum Life by%: (maximum?)
Increase Maximum Mana by%: (maximum?)
Max Thorn Damage: ?

Max. Resist Fire/Cold/Poison/Lightning:95%
Max. Resist Magic: 75%
Resist Fire/Cold/Poison/Lightning (rollover or cap?) (if you have 257 Resist cold, does it rollover and set it to 2% for example?)
Resist Magic: (rollover or cap)?
Lightning/Fire/Cold/Poison Absorb: ?
Resist Fire/Cold/Poison/Lightning/Magic per item: 255

+All Skills Max. per item: 127
Class Restricted Item, Max +Skills: 3 071
Skill Tab Max.: 30 (per crafted ring, amulet)
Specific Skill Max: 120 per crft. charm (If you craft only single Skill on charm with a few bonuses)

Max. Elemental Damage: 83 886 ?? damage (does not include poison w/ damage over time, blaze, firewall).
Max. Physical Damage: 83 886 (=((2 ^ 23) - 1) / 100 ) damage (Recommended 41 943 for Amazons and users of deadyly strike. Bear in mind that Damage to Undead/Demons will also raise the damage)

Increased Attack Speed Maximum: ? (is there a bug at a certain rate where you cannot hit anything? Does it matter what the base speed of the item is?)

Increased Movement Speed Maximum: ?
Reduce Target AC by (maximum) : ?

Gold Find Maximum: 64 511% (per item)
Magic Find Maximum: Magic number is around 1 500% MF, maxes between 250 000% and 500 000%.

Maximum modification lines per item: 44 (note: some are hidden that will contribute to the maximum)

Edit: I am going to colour all corrected and sure values.
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Claws » Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:04 pm

Al-T";p="411590" wrote:I'll start with Maximum Gold Find = 64511% and...here is the proof.
That is just a proof that the Maximum (per item) is not lower. :P

By the way, do you know if the 95% Damage Resistance against Monsters are correct?
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Post by Al-T » Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:41 pm

Claws";p="411600" wrote:That is just a proof that the Maximum (per item) is not lower. :P

By the way, do you know if the 95% Damage Resistance against Monsters are correct?
1. Yes this is per. item (as I advised on the Wiki) and it is the absolute maximum per. item as trying to add to this has no effect.

2. I suspect only Kato can answer that for sure. Who knows what tweaks he has done to those values in over 6 years modding :P .
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Claws » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:25 pm

I just ask about the Damage Resistance, because I only find the information in the web that it is capped at 50 %.

See here and here.

Of course this is about the Vanilla Version. But e.g. the magic resistances also didn't change.
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Re: Expanded Zy-El Limitaton post

Post by Aludiin » Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:59 pm

Updated with additional comments above.

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