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Re: New version developement

Post by Al-T » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:48 pm

It's not about putting up with anything. I can only speak for myself but I think Hans would agree, the Keep rules are strict on these matters and I for one don't want to see you being prevented from doing what you propose to do just because you breached a rule. It is admirable that you are prepared to take on such a challenge and I will be 100% behind you but only if you get approval from the Keep admins/Kato. Do that and you might find a few other people will be more than happy to help you (I hope that is the case). Cover your own back first ;)
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Re: New version developement

Post by horvay » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:04 pm

Thanks. I sent messages to Vern. Hopefully I'll be able to share the fixes. My friend and I really like the new difficulty introduced in 4.5. Nightmare is actually fun again :D.

I remember in 4.4, we did nightmare to just get it done, but then it was all about insanity levels. Now it seems like Nightmare is fun and worth doing for it's own sake.

Also with the raised damage caps, my sorc is much more fun :)

(Yes, this was an advert to get more people interested who read this :D)

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Re: New version developement

Post by Hans » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:11 pm

Like Al stated.

The keep rules are strict and we do have to respect the mod owners wishes as well. Kato put in many, many, many hours into this great mod and it is his baby.

I do not want to see the mod die but at the same time just want to make sure if someone is working on it that they got permission to work on it at least from Kato or from an Admin to work on it but maybe creating a new mod that is based on Zy-El but under a new name. That way you can make changes and make it your own mod and Zy-El can still remain as Zy-El.
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Re: New version developement

Post by horvay » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:24 pm

That's a good idea. I could even call it "Blahblah - a ZyEl Add-On" or something like that.

If I want to add features, that's definitely a good idea. Or if I fix more than just two bugs...

Thanks Hans

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Re: New version developement

Post by Al-T » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:37 pm

Probably better to seek approval from Volf than Vern. Vern hasn't been around for ages and Volf is providing the current hosting for the Phrozen Keep so his say will be final. I am sure he will also give good advice on whether to call it an "update/community patch" an "add-on/plugin" or "new mod based on Zy-El". You might even be able to call it "Myrada" as that was what Kato had originally intended calling the 1.10 version but never got around to making it....again...seek approval first. ;)
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Re: New version developement

Post by horvay » Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:29 am

Ok, thanks Al.

I did fix the darth small / mini-maul not moving or attacking bug on my own computer, but just waiting to hear how or if I should deliver it here.

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Re: New version developement

Post by horvay » Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:58 pm

Messaged with Volf and he thinks the add-on idea is fine. But with the condition that if Kato comes back from his cat nap, I ask him and possibly take it down if Kato doesn't approve.

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Re: New version developement

Post by horvay » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:47 am

Here is the link to the new thread (yes I know the name is corny :) )


viewtopic.php?f=53&t=61824

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Re: New version developement

Post by Montex » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:14 am

I'm more or less back again. I'm happy to see that someone else is trying to fix the bugs and develop 4.5.
Not sure if anyone is familiar with github but i think this would be the best option if we have more that one developer for the mod.
The mod repo is at:
https://github.com/zyel/zyel
You can download it without registration. Modding would require one.
The repo contains patch 12 though it isnt fully finished. It also contains all txt files needed for modding. I did the bin extracting once and i think one time is enough no need to redo the dirty work again :D

this doesnt have horvay's fixes though
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Re: New version developement

Post by Montex » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:58 am

To download latest version:
1) download and install TortoiseGit: https://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/wiki/Download
2) go to your diablo 2 folder (MODS folder for d2se), right click and choose "Git clone..." from context menu.
url: https://github.com/zyel/zyel.git
directory: should be ok as it is
click ok
alternatively if you do not plan modding you can go to https://github.com/zyel/zyel and click "Download Zip" and extract to zyel folder in your Diablo 2 folder (MODS/zyel for d2se)

3) go to data/global/excel and extract cubemain.zip since github does not allow to store files larger that 100 mb

For those who want to participate in modding process:
4) create account at github.com
5) write the username in the forum and wait till someone adds you to push chages to the github repository. Atm I and Al-T can do that (somewhat pushed this responsibility to him in case i disappear again)
6) before making any changes make sure you have the latest version:
right click zyel folder and choose "TortoiseGit" then choose "pull..."
7) make some changes to the mod
8) right click zyel folder and choose "Git commit -> Master"
write some meaningful description in upper window. recheck modified files on lower window and click ok.
9) in the next window press "push" (lower left corner), write your github user/pass and click ok.
that's about everything for a simple start.
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Re: New version developement

Post by horvay » Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:15 pm

Github is great. I use it for a few projects already. I'll pull it later today and fix my stuff in a branch.

I'm glad your back Montex!

The moment patch 12 comes out, I'll probably put a big whopping link back to this thread.

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Re: New version developement

Post by Montex » Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:25 pm

i see there was some discussion about permissions and similar stuff.
Here is my opinion:
I asked Kato for permission to change the mod - havent got any response for about 3 months now. Overall he is away for about 5 years now - imo thats long enough to consider the mod abandoned.
I didnt ask any moderators - they have as much rights to the mod as i do.
And another interesting note. With a single byte edited in dlls Kato cant really claim the ownership of the mod either. Blizzard never gave any permission to edit those :D Claiming to be a legal owner of something obtained by illegal actions seems kinda wrong to me.

If you like 4.4C version you can play it. If you like 4.5 you can play is as well. No one forces anyone to choose one of those.
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Re: New version developement

Post by prodigypm » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:45 pm

Montex" wrote:i see there was some discussion about permissions and similar stuff.
Here is my opinion:
I asked Kato for permission to change the mod - havent got any response for about 3 months now. Overall he is away for about 5 years now - imo thats long enough to consider the mod abandoned.
I didnt ask any moderators - they have as much rights to the mod as i do.
And another interesting note. With a single byte edited in dlls Kato cant really claim the ownership of the mod either. Blizzard never gave any permission to edit those :D Claiming to be a legal owner of something obtained by illegal actions seems kinda wrong to me.

If you like 4.4C version you can play it. If you like 4.5 you can play is as well. No one forces anyone to choose one of those.
I was told similar stuff when I asked about my pack . I dont actually believe its about ownership . Its about respecting the modder's oppinion .
On the otherside I think like you . When something is abandoned , nothing can stop you to pick it up and lift it with your hands (As long as you are helping , like in this case) .
I wish there where more people like you guyz . To update the outdated and even continue the work of people that gave up sort of speak . But , yeah I can say unwriten rules kinda ruin it for many people . ;)
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Re: New version developement

Post by Hans » Sat Sep 06, 2014 5:39 pm

For the most part mod makers are not taking ownership but wish to be respected for the work they have done. Some of the assets might be owned by Kato or other mod makers especially if it is art assets.

But the big thing is when a mod maker is making a mod one of the last things they want to see is someone taking their mod and then claiming it is theirs.

The thing is respect.

Also this mod is not really abandoned. The mod is in a stable working condition. I call something abandoned when it is half finished or riddled with many game crashing bugs. There are still crashes in Zy-El but those crashes can be avoided for the most part and the crashes are related to the game engine and the complexity of this mod.
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Re: New version developement

Post by Montex » Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:34 pm

I am grateful to Kato for all the work to put into the mod.
Respect... After thinking for about an hour i couldn't find a single reason to respect him. For me Kato is just another faceless name on the net. To me my gaming experience is more important than speculations on how someone may or may not feel... I'm making the game the way i want to play it.
You can call me evil if you want but i will continue the 4.5 development. You are free to join as well if you want. The source is available to everyone. And judging by your signature you have more than enough experience to be a valuable addition to the team.
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Re: New version developement

Post by Xibalba » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:31 pm

Montex" wrote:i see there was some discussion about permissions and similar stuff.
Here is my opinion:
I asked Kato for permission to change the mod - havent got any response for about 3 months now. Overall he is away for about 5 years now - imo thats long enough to consider the mod abandoned.
I didnt ask any moderators - they have as much rights to the mod as i do.
And another interesting note. With a single byte edited in dlls Kato cant really claim the ownership of the mod either. Blizzard never gave any permission to edit those :D Claiming to be a legal owner of something obtained by illegal actions seems kinda wrong to me.

If you like 4.4C version you can play it. If you like 4.5 you can play is as well. No one forces anyone to choose one of those.
So this means even modding Diablo itself is illegal? Please someone say it is legal :(
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Re: New version developement

Post by prodigypm » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:49 pm

Xibalba" wrote:
Montex" wrote:i see there was some discussion about permissions and similar stuff.
Here is my opinion:
I asked Kato for permission to change the mod - havent got any response for about 3 months now. Overall he is away for about 5 years now - imo thats long enough to consider the mod abandoned.
I didnt ask any moderators - they have as much rights to the mod as i do.
And another interesting note. With a single byte edited in dlls Kato cant really claim the ownership of the mod either. Blizzard never gave any permission to edit those :D Claiming to be a legal owner of something obtained by illegal actions seems kinda wrong to me.

If you like 4.4C version you can play it. If you like 4.5 you can play is as well. No one forces anyone to choose one of those.
So this means even modding Diablo itself is illegal? Please someone say it is legal :(
Nope , Modifying a software is illegal :cry: Plus banable (bananable) on battle.net . Any modifications are illegal . Thats why modders dont have the rights to their mods , as stated above its all about respect and thats the most funny part .
PS. Its like going to bill gates claiming that you created a better or a modified version of windows , and you give it to everyone for free ? How is that legal :lol:
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Re: New version developement

Post by Montex » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:52 pm

As i see it modifying txt files is semi legal as blizzard indirectly supported that. Modifying dlls is another story though.
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Re: New version developement

Post by Hans » Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:07 am

Blizzard does not support Diablo 1 and 2 mods and they will not go after mods. The only ones thy have issues are the ones that go against Battlenet and more on the closed battlenet servers. They might have issues if a mod maker goes and sells the mod for money.

DIII is a different story where all mods are not allowed.

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I have no issues with you continuing to work on the mod but if it is anymore than fixing a few bugs it is best to just name the mod something else and give credits to everyone that is in the credits section of the readme.

Because your vision of the mod might be different than what Kato has/had for the mod.
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Re: New version developement

Post by Xibalba » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:56 am

But at least having the permission to make offline mods would be nice. I dont actually feel good while doing "illegal" stuff :)
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Re: New version developement

Post by Al-T » Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:25 pm

Woah good people. Time-out :)

This is getting way out of hand. My suggestions initially to Montex and laterly horvay, to try to contact Kato and the admins here were merely that...just so they didn't breach any of the rules of The Terms Of Service here. How has all this got to an argument about what is "legal" and "illegal" :?: :roll:

What is posted here is under the permissions and control of the admins here and governed by the ToS. I want this mod to be updated but also I don't want to see talented programmers being prevented from posting about it here.

As for
Montex" wrote:I didnt ask any moderators - they have as much rights to the mod as i do.
:roll: Correct...as much right as anyone has....but they can ban you from posting here if they feel you have broken their rules which is why I suggested you and horvay ask their permission/guidance. It doesn't hurt to ask and, as Hans said, show some respect for the original modder.
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Re: New version developement

Post by prodigypm » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:29 pm

Al-T" wrote:Woah good people. Time-out :)

This is getting way out of hand. My suggestions initially to Montex and laterly horvay, to try to contact Kato and the admins here were merely that...just so they didn't breach any of the rules of The Terms Of Service here. How has all this got to an argument about what is "legal" and "illegal" :?: :roll:

What is posted here is under the permissions and control of the admins here and governed by the ToS. I want this mod to be updated but also I don't want to see talented programmers being prevented from posting about it here.

As for
Montex" wrote:I didnt ask any moderators - they have as much rights to the mod as i do.
:roll: Correct...as much right as anyone has....but they can ban you from posting here if they feel you have broken their rules which is why I suggested you and horvay ask their permission/guidance. It doesn't hurt to ask and, as Hans said, show some respect for the original modder.
There are no rules about this . As I told earlier the rules here are unwriten , based mostly on respect between people . :) Do as you wish . You cannot get banned you haven violated anything ;)

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Re: New version developement

Post by horvay » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:56 pm

Well, it didn't hurt asking.

We called it a new version, gave Kato credit, and didn't put it other places claiming that it's the same ol' ZyEl
IE, I think we are following:
All contributions that are not plugins shall not be copied and incorporated into a member's projects and websites without the expressed consent of the originator
So I think we are fine :)

And I do respect Kato in the form of admiration for his skill and creativity. I think Montax was probably talking about more of a military "must follow orders" type respect.

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Re: New version developement

Post by Al-T » Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:38 pm

XX) Discussion of modding games in the Diablo series shall be limited to full, authorized releases in which legal entitlement to use is established by purchase and such proofs of license as determined by the copyright holders. No discussion of demo versions, shareware versions, or other promotional forms shall be allowed without the express consent of the copyright holders.

Where do we go now prodigypm :?:

Mod all you want at home on your own PC but be careful when you start posting here.
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Re: New version developement

Post by prodigypm » Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:14 am

Al-T" wrote:XX) Discussion of modding games in the Diablo series shall be limited to full, authorized releases in which legal entitlement to use is established by purchase and such proofs of license as determined by the copyright holders. No discussion of demo versions, shareware versions, or other promotional forms shall be allowed without the express consent of the copyright holders.

Where do we go now prodigypm :?:

Mod all you want at home on your own PC but be careful when you start posting here.
I don't think you are on the right track in this case dude .
PS . By the logic you are following , all the admins and modders in this site should get banned .
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